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		<title>By: christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative opinion for balance:

Personally I have always found an appreciation for the slow pacing and artful compositions of Stanley Kubrick and Andrei Tarkovsky and Spielberg’s work, though impressive to me as a child, seems far less tempered and sophisticated through adult eyes the above mentioned directors.  I have found enjoyment in some of M. Night Shyamalan’s films (“Unbreakable” and “Signs”), despite finding his style painfully derivative, largely because he deliberately takes time with the camera to tell his story.  This unfortunately seems to be a dying art and, as someone who appreciates atmosphere in film, I find the rise in kinetic editing of concern.  I enjoyed “Batman Begins” but I found its rhythm emotionally unpleasant.  The effect that Spielberg notes as exciting in the passages above, however creative and technically impressive, merely seems assaulting and ugly to me.  And I cannot help but wonder at the psychological effects rapid editing may have on children (regardless of how often they are exposed to alternate realities their own minds are still developing a sense of reality and as such are extremely malleable).  I do not intend to be hostile but, as an aspiring filmmaker, I just wanted to chime in for what it is worth.</description>
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<p>Personally I have always found an appreciation for the slow pacing and artful compositions of Stanley Kubrick and Andrei Tarkovsky and Spielberg’s work, though impressive to me as a child, seems far less tempered and sophisticated through adult eyes the above mentioned directors.  I have found enjoyment in some of M. Night Shyamalan’s films (“Unbreakable” and “Signs”), despite finding his style painfully derivative, largely because he deliberately takes time with the camera to tell his story.  This unfortunately seems to be a dying art and, as someone who appreciates atmosphere in film, I find the rise in kinetic editing of concern.  I enjoyed “Batman Begins” but I found its rhythm emotionally unpleasant.  The effect that Spielberg notes as exciting in the passages above, however creative and technically impressive, merely seems assaulting and ugly to me.  And I cannot help but wonder at the psychological effects rapid editing may have on children (regardless of how often they are exposed to alternate realities their own minds are still developing a sense of reality and as such are extremely malleable).  I do not intend to be hostile but, as an aspiring filmmaker, I just wanted to chime in for what it is worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Reading #1: the Indy issue &#171; As Cool As A Fruitstand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday Reading #1: the Indy issue &#171; As Cool As A Fruitstand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wright at Aspect Ratio has two absolutely great pieces up. The first, &#8220;Cutting for Clarity&#8220;, written before the release of Crystal Skull, is a razor sharp analysis of Spielberg&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wright at Aspect Ratio has two absolutely great pieces up. The first, &#8220;Cutting for Clarity&#8220;, written before the release of Crystal Skull, is a razor sharp analysis of Spielberg&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Rowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to Bond - I agree entirely about the overwhelming majority of the post-70s films, where I agree the set-pieces are very stiff. And of the 60s films, the very boring Thunderball and You Only Live Twice I think show some of what you talk about (if I understand you correctly). The scenes I&#039;m thinking of that I think are very well done, and greatly influence Bourne, are scenes such as the Bond / Red Grant fight in From Russia With Love, or the aforementioned bobsled chase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to Bond &#8211; I agree entirely about the overwhelming majority of the post-70s films, where I agree the set-pieces are very stiff. And of the 60s films, the very boring Thunderball and You Only Live Twice I think show some of what you talk about (if I understand you correctly). The scenes I&#8217;m thinking of that I think are very well done, and greatly influence Bourne, are scenes such as the Bond / Red Grant fight in From Russia With Love, or the aforementioned bobsled chase.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Wright</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for the excellent feedback, comments, and observations. I completely agree that the fast-and-tight style has its place -- and the Bourne series represents some very fine examples of it. I certainly did not intend my post to be an attack on this type of style. And I also agree that sometimes Spielberg chooses style over narrative logic. He&#039;s not alone, either.

I&#039;m inclined to agree with the connections between the styles of Bond and Indiana Jones; however I always found the Bond action set pieces (of any era) to be overly stiff. The choreography seems to interrupt the speed and energy of the action, resulting in sometimes clumsy transitions. It can also lead to overly polished staging: see Martin Campbell&#039;s films for an example of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the excellent feedback, comments, and observations. I completely agree that the fast-and-tight style has its place &#8212; and the Bourne series represents some very fine examples of it. I certainly did not intend my post to be an attack on this type of style. And I also agree that sometimes Spielberg chooses style over narrative logic. He&#8217;s not alone, either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with the connections between the styles of Bond and Indiana Jones; however I always found the Bond action set pieces (of any era) to be overly stiff. The choreography seems to interrupt the speed and energy of the action, resulting in sometimes clumsy transitions. It can also lead to overly polished staging: see Martin Campbell&#8217;s films for an example of this.</p>
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		<title>By: qb</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>qb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a rss feed?  I don&#039;t see it on the page.  Excellent post, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a rss feed?  I don&#8217;t see it on the page.  Excellent post, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: sarcastig</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>sarcastig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post. I&#039;m actually hoping the new Indiana Jones will be kind of &quot;old-fashioned&quot;, not because I don&#039;t like fast cutting when it&#039;s done well (and as Spielberg points out, &lt;i&gt;The Bourne Ultimatum&lt;/i&gt; is the prime example), but because they always were old-fashioned. I recently watched a slew of movies from the 80&#039;s, and watching &lt;i&gt;Raiders of the Lost Ark&lt;/i&gt; afterwards I was surprised by how it&#039;s old-fashionedness actually makes it LESS dated than the others. There&#039;s no synthesizer music in &lt;i&gt;Raiders&lt;/i&gt;, no trendy stars that became a cliché later, no hairstyles we&#039;d now scoff at... because it was a throwback all along, it&#039;s timeless, and it&#039;s encouraging that Spielberg doesn&#039;t seem tempted by all the new trends.

Incidentally, the sequence you analyze in Munich is a stand-out, absolutely, but the trick of showing things indirectly, through mirrors for example, is one of the things for which Spielberg sometimes chooses style over logic. Case in point? The shot in &lt;i&gt;War of the Worlds&lt;/i&gt; of a camera recording the aliens coming out and walking around. A camera, working despite the fact that everything that uses electronics (even cars!) was just disabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post. I&#8217;m actually hoping the new Indiana Jones will be kind of &#8220;old-fashioned&#8221;, not because I don&#8217;t like fast cutting when it&#8217;s done well (and as Spielberg points out, <i>The Bourne Ultimatum</i> is the prime example), but because they always were old-fashioned. I recently watched a slew of movies from the 80&#8217;s, and watching <i>Raiders of the Lost Ark</i> afterwards I was surprised by how it&#8217;s old-fashionedness actually makes it LESS dated than the others. There&#8217;s no synthesizer music in <i>Raiders</i>, no trendy stars that became a cliché later, no hairstyles we&#8217;d now scoff at&#8230; because it was a throwback all along, it&#8217;s timeless, and it&#8217;s encouraging that Spielberg doesn&#8217;t seem tempted by all the new trends.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the sequence you analyze in Munich is a stand-out, absolutely, but the trick of showing things indirectly, through mirrors for example, is one of the things for which Spielberg sometimes chooses style over logic. Case in point? The shot in <i>War of the Worlds</i> of a camera recording the aliens coming out and walking around. A camera, working despite the fact that everything that uses electronics (even cars!) was just disabled.</p>
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		<title>By: Observations on film art and FILM ART : In critical condition</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Observations on film art and FILM ART : In critical condition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Need an example? Jim Emerson, time and again. There are plenty of other instances hosted by journals like Rouge and the extraordinary Senses of Cinema, and many solo efforts, such as a recent one from Benjamin Wright. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Need an example? Jim Emerson, time and again. There are plenty of other instances hosted by journals like Rouge and the extraordinary Senses of Cinema, and many solo efforts, such as a recent one from Benjamin Wright. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rowley</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the plug for my writing on Spielberg&#039;s editing: I assume you&#039;re referring to this post: http://tinyurl.com/6o6xzz, but there&#039;s also this one from a few years ago, back when Indy 4 was still a glimmer in Spielberg&#039;s eye: http://tinyurl.com/6l6hrr.

I am going from memory here, but my recollection was that Batman Begins was fairly &quot;classically&quot; shot for most of its exposition but dissolved into incoherency in its action scenes, which I thought were very shakily shot and badly done.

I also wonder if it was fair even in the 80s to accuse Spielberg of hyperkinetic cutting (though I don&#039;t doubt sloppy critics have sometimes done so). Except for a few sequences (the minecar sequence in Temple of Doom comes to mind) I don&#039;t think Spielberg has ever cut particularly quickly. Spielberg has gradually &quot;sped up,&quot; as Hollywood has, but my impression (again, a hunch unsupported by extensive shot counting) is that Spielberg has always cut a bit slower than his contemporaries at any given time. If you go right back to Jaws you&#039;ll find he&#039;d let whole scenes play out in only one or two shots. 

I should add that all stylistic approaches can be done well or badly. As stated in my post, I love the clarity of Spielberg&#039;s style, but I think Greengrass&#039; Bourne films really showed the handheld / shaky / close / quick approach done quite artfully. It&#039;s still no really my cup of tea, but I think they were more intelligently mounted than, say, a Michael Bay film. Perhaps one saving grace is that Greengrass will pull the camera back for key moments, like cars spinning around in the tunnel car chase in Bourne Supremacy, or that amazing shot following Bourne through a window in Ultimatum. Those shots are still fleeting, but they stand out from what&#039;s around them and provide a little variation and emphasis.

A lot of this can be traced back to Peter Hunt&#039;s amazing work (first as editor and then director) on the 60s Bond films. Have a look at the bobsled sequence in On Her Majesties&#039; Secret Service to see the origins of the Bourne style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the plug for my writing on Spielberg&#8217;s editing: I assume you&#8217;re referring to this post: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6o6xzz" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6o6xzz</a>, but there&#8217;s also this one from a few years ago, back when Indy 4 was still a glimmer in Spielberg&#8217;s eye: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6l6hrr" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6l6hrr</a>.</p>
<p>I am going from memory here, but my recollection was that Batman Begins was fairly &#8220;classically&#8221; shot for most of its exposition but dissolved into incoherency in its action scenes, which I thought were very shakily shot and badly done.</p>
<p>I also wonder if it was fair even in the 80s to accuse Spielberg of hyperkinetic cutting (though I don&#8217;t doubt sloppy critics have sometimes done so). Except for a few sequences (the minecar sequence in Temple of Doom comes to mind) I don&#8217;t think Spielberg has ever cut particularly quickly. Spielberg has gradually &#8220;sped up,&#8221; as Hollywood has, but my impression (again, a hunch unsupported by extensive shot counting) is that Spielberg has always cut a bit slower than his contemporaries at any given time. If you go right back to Jaws you&#8217;ll find he&#8217;d let whole scenes play out in only one or two shots. </p>
<p>I should add that all stylistic approaches can be done well or badly. As stated in my post, I love the clarity of Spielberg&#8217;s style, but I think Greengrass&#8217; Bourne films really showed the handheld / shaky / close / quick approach done quite artfully. It&#8217;s still no really my cup of tea, but I think they were more intelligently mounted than, say, a Michael Bay film. Perhaps one saving grace is that Greengrass will pull the camera back for key moments, like cars spinning around in the tunnel car chase in Bourne Supremacy, or that amazing shot following Bourne through a window in Ultimatum. Those shots are still fleeting, but they stand out from what&#8217;s around them and provide a little variation and emphasis.</p>
<p>A lot of this can be traced back to Peter Hunt&#8217;s amazing work (first as editor and then director) on the 60s Bond films. Have a look at the bobsled sequence in On Her Majesties&#8217; Secret Service to see the origins of the Bourne style.</p>
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		<title>By: Summer Movies: Older Than You Think? &#171; Moviegoings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summer Movies: Older Than You Think? &#171; Moviegoings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] speaking of the upcoming movie season, in anticipation of the new Indiana Jones movie, here&#8217;s a really good essay from Aspect Ratio about Spielberg&#8217;s approach to film editing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Wright</title>
		<link>http://aspectratio.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/cutting-for-clarity/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;ve started watching Lost from the beginning! Otherwise, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s gonna make any sense. Watching the series on DVD is the most rewarding, since it can unfold at a breakneck speed (without commercials and summer/strike hiatuses). 

I stand by Nolan&#039;s approach in Batman Begins, since he does a fair job of establishing the &quot;spatial geography&quot; of many scenes. I will say, however, that Nolan is not immune to the modern shooting style: tight framing and rapid cutting. 

Re-watching the Indiana Jones trilogy recently I was struck by how many shots required multiple rack focuses, something that you don&#039;t see anymore. 

I wrote this post before seeing Iron Man, which only reinforces my point. The amount of tight close-ups on the body armor did one thing successfully: hide the seams between the CGI armor and Stan Winston&#039;s practical suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;ve started watching Lost from the beginning! Otherwise, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s gonna make any sense. Watching the series on DVD is the most rewarding, since it can unfold at a breakneck speed (without commercials and summer/strike hiatuses). </p>
<p>I stand by Nolan&#8217;s approach in Batman Begins, since he does a fair job of establishing the &#8220;spatial geography&#8221; of many scenes. I will say, however, that Nolan is not immune to the modern shooting style: tight framing and rapid cutting. </p>
<p>Re-watching the Indiana Jones trilogy recently I was struck by how many shots required multiple rack focuses, something that you don&#8217;t see anymore. </p>
<p>I wrote this post before seeing Iron Man, which only reinforces my point. The amount of tight close-ups on the body armor did one thing successfully: hide the seams between the CGI armor and Stan Winston&#8217;s practical suit.</p>
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